Gunners are op its a fact....

[Hampelmann135]

(11-08-2012 12:31 AM)DawnofDusk schreef:  Let me summarize:

THE GUNNER

PROS

• Insane close-range damage
• Giant ammo clip
• Fast rate of fire
• Ability to close-in on enemy to utilize the first pro
• Extreme healing potential from the insane close-range damage
• Highest health and and ability that further increases the highest health
• Ability to negate explosive effectiveness
• Weapons capable of easily destroying vehicles
• Ability to slow down enemies allowing you to close-in and kill
  

CONS

• Bad at long range
  

However, I admit I have not been playing for extreme lengths of time, so if anyone has anything to add, or a rebuttal, I'll be happy to hear it.

Dude don't be offended but you don't know what you talking about.

[epicchickengod]

(11-08-2012 12:31 AM)DawnofDusk schreef:  At first, I wanted to start my own topic about gunner's being OP, but then I saw this. I am here to support the notion that Gunners are indeed OP. I don't enjoy randomly declaring classes OP, but after playing BFH for quite a while now (inb4 someone checks my profile and decides I am too nooby for their attention) I do believe that gunners are in fact OP.

Main reason? They have no weaknesses.

Okay, one weakness, but we'll get into that.


The most apparent weaknesses are the slow speed, slow reload time, low accuracy, bad at long ranges.

• Slow speed? Leg-it balances that out.
• Slow reload time? Well, you use TWO weapons, right? Wait, an RPG too?
• Low accuracy? Wait, Frenzy Fire increases accuracy?
• Bad at long ranges? This is the gunner's only weakness, IMO, in that the gunner is geared for close range and dies at long range. Guess what? There's a lot of cover in BFH. It's not that hard to just retreat into cover when a sniper or someone starts firing. Running from long-range confrontation is amazingly simple.
  

Also the gunner has quite a few pros, too. INSANE close-range damage, giant ammo clip, fast rate of fire, the ability to close in on an enemy to utilize said close-range damage, extreme healing potential from aforementioned insane close-range damage, the highest health coupled with an ability to FURTHER increase this highest health, ability to counter explosives, an RPG to destroy tanks, a keg to slow down enemies allowing you to close in and utilize aforementioned insane close-range damage?

Does gunner not seem OP to you now?

Let me summarize:

THE GUNNER

PROS

• Insane close-range damage
• Giant ammo clip
• Fast rate of fire
• Ability to close-in on enemy to utilize the first pro
• Extreme healing potential from the insane close-range damage
• Highest health and and ability that further increases the highest health
• Ability to negate explosive effectiveness
• Weapons capable of easily destroying vehicles
• Ability to slow down enemies allowing you to close-in and kill
  

CONS

• Bad at long range
  

However, I admit I have not been playing for extreme lengths of time, so if anyone has anything to add, or a rebuttal, I'll be happy to hear it.

lol, my nat gunner and your nat sniper share the same outfit xD

[DawnofDusk]

(11-08-2012 01:05 PM)Hampelmann135 schreef:  Dude don't be offended but you don't know what you talking about.

I already admitted I probably do not know very much, but this is the most amazing constructive criticism I have ever seen. (The previous sentence is also a good example of sarcasm.) One sentence which basically says "You don't know anything". Nothing else. Nothing about what I don't know, nothing to even prove I don't know anything.

Well guess what? You don't know what you're talking about.

And that's the truth, because you didn't elaborate in the slightest. Anyone can blindly type "You don't know anything," I could probably even whip up a script to automatically quote a post and print "You don't know what you're talking about" for every further reply to this topic, but those who actually KNOW "what they're talking about" something can back it up. That's the entire premise of my post. I didn't blindly type "gunner op," I listed my reasons why. If you could explain what I'm not understanding, that would be most appreciated. Otherwise, I think I know full well what I'm talking about.

Not to be offensive.

[Broodjedoner]

If gunners are so OP, gunners on average would have the highest ELO and killdeath right? Most likely: wrong. There's snipers, soldiers and gunners with huge and tiny ELO's, KD's WL's etc etc. I bet the average numbers for all 3 classes are actually not that far apart.

I can do fine with both my gunners and soldiers. They all have their strengths, you just have to know how to use them effectively. I don't play snipers because I hate them, deeply.

[DawnofDusk]

(11-08-2012 09:17 PM)Broodjedoner schreef:  If gunners are so OP, gunners on average would have the highest ELO and killdeath right? Most likely: wrong. There's snipers, soldiers and gunners with huge and tiny ELO's, KD's WL's etc etc. I bet the average numbers for all 3 classes are actually not that far apart.

I can do fine with both my gunners and soldiers. They all have their strengths, you just have to know how to use them effectively. I don't play snipers because I hate them, deeply.

Thanks for the project.

NOTE: The information was taken from the BFH leaderboards, in the top 30 K/D for each class of THIS WEEK, so unless on this week certain classes played extremely epic, it should pretty accurate. If you don't believe me, you can check it yourself. It should be noted that these may not be 100% accurate due to the possibility of typos.

Average Soldier K/D: 20.4741333333
Average Commando K/D: 22.7081666667
Average Gunner K/D: 23.6220666667

Yes, the K/D's are all very similar, but Gunners on average are still higher (at least in the top 30). So, I will stand by my notion that Gunner's are OP, but not like "Press button to win" OP.

[Broodjedoner]

Top30 KDR, at any level? For instance, it's easy to get KDR of 10+ before lvl 15 or so, yet level 15 is not representative since you compare all classes with very limited ability points. It's way too flawed, not to mention it's just KDR, which is flawed on itself. ELO it the "least worst" stat to represent succes. Filter out extremes, filter for lvl (say) 20-30, use more stats than just KDR etc. etc. I wanna bet the difference is minimal.

At most you can say from your numbers, the noobbashers do well with any class

[DawnofDusk]

(11-08-2012 10:33 PM)Broodjedoner schreef:  Top30 KDR, at any level? For instance, it's easy to get KDR of 10+ before lvl 15 or so, yet level 15 is not representative since you compare all classes with very limited ability points. It's way too flawed, not to mention it's just KDR, which is flawed on itself. ELO it the "least worst" stat to represent succes. Filter out extremes, filter for lvl (say) 20-30, use more stats than just KDR etc. etc. I wanna bet the difference is minimal.

At most you can say from your numbers, the noobbashers do well with any class

Yeah. :L

If I recall correctly, there were no levels below 15. Also, unfortunately you can't filter out ELO, and filtering out level is also impossible without checking every single hero. D: Maybe I'll whip up a script to do this or something.