Battlefield Heroes

(28-04-2012 04:43 PM)AmsterdamHeavy Wrote: [ -> ]

(26-04-2012 08:17 PM)Wixxi Wrote: [ -> ]Who cares about stats?

This. Learn to play for fun FFS. WHo cares about stats?

Besides...ELO is the meaningful stat anyway. Wanna get rid of that too?

No, it's not.

ELO is just as easily padded.

A much simpler solution would be to provide all players with the option of making their Hero profiles private.

Men, didn't know this thread would get such many posts and views. I want to say one thing about noobbashing: noobbashers are not always noobbashers. Weird huh? Let me explain:
I told my brother about this game, and he started playing it. He had to go downstairs, so he asked me to finish the round. The round ended in less then a minute, and in that time, I got three easy kills, but as his account was only lv 3 back then, you can hardly speak of noobbashing. Some experienced players who start off again, will take out many noobs, just because they have far more battle experience. BUT I STAY TO MY POINT: KDR IS USELESS, AND IT JUST SHOWS WHO IS CAMPING CONSTANTLY OR IS SPAMMING WIDGETS (Where is the time that abilities where the only "widgets?" Powerful punch and fireproof underpants are real kills for some good soldier abilities)

(29-04-2012 09:02 PM)LastShadow18 Wrote: [ -> ]Men, didn't know this thread would get such many posts and views. I want to say one thing about noobbashing: noobbashers are not always noobbashers. Weird huh? Let me explain:
I told my brother about this game, and he started playing it. He had to go downstairs, so he asked me to finish the round. The round ended in less then a minute, and in that time, I got three easy kills, but as his account was only lv 3 back then, you can hardly speak of noobbashing. Some experienced players who start off again, will take out many noobs, just because they have far more battle experience. BUT I STAY TO MY POINT: KDR IS USELESS, AND IT JUST SHOWS WHO IS CAMPING CONSTANTLY OR IS SPAMMING WIDGETS (Where is the time that abilities where the only "widgets?" Powerful punch and fireproof underpants are real kills for some good soldier abilities)

Okay first point i got to say is:

KDR is not useless, for example, when a skilled gunner runs around and kills enemies on his own level, but he makes far more kills than everyone else, simply because he is more skilled than his enemies, i would not call this widget spamming or camping.

Second, yes, KDR can easily be padded, and i agree with TPang that KDr does not show how skilled you are, but there are differences between a level 30 gunner with 2,5+ kdr played a tons of games, than a lvl 30 gunner with 0,8 kdr, with the same number of games. So in some cases, KDR can give you a point of view of the player's skills, but not in all cases.

Third, it seems that this whole KDR community is mostly affected by the pressure about doing well ingame. And when someone does NOT do well ingame, and watches other players HIGH kdr, they start yelling at them, and wants the kdr system gone.
However, some of the players with good KDR may be filled with pride, and in their minds, they are much better than everyone else below their KDR.

This KDR " problem " looks alot like the " ELO" problem in the game : League Of Legends. In LoL, u have a ELO rating ur skill, and it rates ur skill in most cases kind of precisely, and in a few cases just out of sight. But everyone with HIGH elo thinks their better than the LOW elo players. However, many LOW elo players is mad about the ELO system, simply because they do not succed as well as the better players do.

Therefore, my conclusion is that KDR is not 100% irrelevant according to your skill level, there is differences to see from 2 players. BUT, in many cases, people are so affected by KDR that they are willing to do anything to achieve shiny stats, therefore noob bashing and camping ( even though camping is strategic, and by getting more kills than deaths, you are helping your team ).

The solution is not simply to remove the KDR, even though we really dont need it, but i think the solution as a guy posted here earlier, to have 3 kinds of KDR, not numbers but 3 ranks. Would give a better image of your skill level, than it is now. But no, i do not support the current KDR system.

-Double.Tap

Good explanation there.

That just about sums up my thoughts; too many players artificially inflate their own K/D's to the point it becomes an irrelevant factor. If everybody played the game as it should be played (no tonic spamming, hardcore camping, suiciding, bashing, pub-stomping), then K/D would actually be a much better stat. But as it is now it's not.

(29-04-2012 11:53 PM)Double.Tap Wrote: [ -> ]The solution is not simply to remove the KDR, even though we really dont need it, but i think the solution as a guy posted here earlier, to have 3 kinds of KDR, not numbers but 3 ranks. Would give a better image of your skill level, than it is now. But no, i do not support the current KDR system.

-Double.Tap

Oi, that's me they are talkin about there!

(29-04-2012 09:02 PM)LastShadow18 Wrote: [ -> ]Men, didn't know this thread would get such many posts and views.

What if I say we always wanted to post this thread, but wasn't encouraged enough to do so.

(26-04-2012 07:50 PM)stupiditytries Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny how you never see someone with a high KDR suggesting this.

well, i support it 110% never say never.

The characters I played once I learned the game have 'good stats' and I support it.

(30-04-2012 01:12 AM)Pro_Driver55 Wrote: [ -> ]

(26-04-2012 07:50 PM)stupiditytries Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny how you never see someone with a high KDR suggesting this.

well, i support it 110% never say never.

Same.

If removing the offending stats aren't the solution, at least an alternative.

/sign

Sick of people rqing from a game just to "protect their kdr"

/anti-sign....

/Anti-Sign
/NO
/No
/Nope
/Nope.Avi

(26-04-2012 07:50 PM)stupiditytries Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny how you never see someone with a high KDR suggesting this.

Well for one, I have a sort of higher kdr, yet I want it gone.

Not because of personal prefences, but the ragequiters really grinds my gears.

(29-04-2012 12:00 AM)The_WUUSTER Wrote: [ -> ]

(28-04-2012 04:43 PM)AmsterdamHeavy Wrote: [ -> ]

(26-04-2012 08:17 PM)Wixxi Wrote: [ -> ]Who cares about stats?

This. Learn to play for fun FFS. WHo cares about stats?

Besides...ELO is the meaningful stat anyway. Wanna get rid of that too?

No, it's not.

ELO is just as easily padded.

Noobashers wont have a high ELO. You get a high ELO by killing people with a high ELO.

(30-04-2012 04:13 AM)AmsterdamHeavy Wrote: [ -> ]

(29-04-2012 12:00 AM)The_WUUSTER Wrote: [ -> ]

(28-04-2012 04:43 PM)AmsterdamHeavy Wrote: [ -> ]

(26-04-2012 08:17 PM)Wixxi Wrote: [ -> ]Who cares about stats?

This. Learn to play for fun FFS. WHo cares about stats?

Besides...ELO is the meaningful stat anyway. Wanna get rid of that too?

No, it's not.

ELO is just as easily padded.

Noobashers wont have a high ELO. You get a high ELO by killing people with a high ELO.

You get additional ELO by killing anyone, more if it's a higher level, less if it's lower. Same goes for losing ELO, it decreases in small ammounts if a higher lvl kills you, larger ammounts if it's a low lvl.

Problem is that if one is playing on a newcomer server, he won't die.

people say the point is having fun...and if the dude is having fun by keeping is k/d high or camping? definition of fun is not the same for everyone....anyway why im on the forum every thread is about removing or nerfing something ....cant we just play?

Bickering about it will not really change a thing for this "petition" of sorts. People need to make an informed vote on a poll that presents the pros and cons of each side, because let's face it both sides have their arguments.

(30-04-2012 04:17 AM)Tomonor Wrote: [ -> ]

(30-04-2012 04:13 AM)AmsterdamHeavy Wrote: [ -> ]

(29-04-2012 12:00 AM)The_WUUSTER Wrote: [ -> ]

(28-04-2012 04:43 PM)AmsterdamHeavy Wrote: [ -> ]

(26-04-2012 08:17 PM)Wixxi Wrote: [ -> ]Who cares about stats?

This. Learn to play for fun FFS. WHo cares about stats?

Besides...ELO is the meaningful stat anyway. Wanna get rid of that too?

No, it's not.

ELO is just as easily padded.

Noobashers wont have a high ELO. You get a high ELO by killing people with a high ELO.

You get additional ELO by killing anyone, more if it's a higher level, less if it's lower. Same goes for losing ELO, it decreases in small ammounts if a higher lvl kills you, larger ammounts if it's a low lvl.

Problem is that if one is playing on a newcomer server, he won't die.

Exactly.

So, if noobbashers have a low ELO, wtf does day-day have a super high ELO when he/she's like the biggest basher/padder known to BFH?

(30-04-2012 08:12 PM)The_WUUSTER Wrote: [ -> ]

(30-04-2012 04:17 AM)Tomonor Wrote: [ -> ]

(30-04-2012 04:13 AM)AmsterdamHeavy Wrote: [ -> ]

(29-04-2012 12:00 AM)The_WUUSTER Wrote: [ -> ]

(28-04-2012 04:43 PM)AmsterdamHeavy Wrote: [ -> ]This. Learn to play for fun FFS. WHo cares about stats?

Besides...ELO is the meaningful stat anyway. Wanna get rid of that too?

No, it's not.

ELO is just as easily padded.

Noobashers wont have a high ELO. You get a high ELO by killing people with a high ELO.

You get additional ELO by killing anyone, more if it's a higher level, less if it's lower. Same goes for losing ELO, it decreases in small ammounts if a higher lvl kills you, larger ammounts if it's a low lvl.

Problem is that if one is playing on a newcomer server, he won't die.

Exactly.

So, if noobbashers have a low ELO, wtf does day-day have a super high ELO when he/she's like the biggest basher/padder known to BFH?

I actually don't care about minorities. Like I doubt you can find a single player on the first pages of the scoreboard who doesn't noobbash, but that does not necessarily mean that they want to noobbash. They just don't care who they oppose, since their goal is the score-gain mainly.

But yeah, day-day do noobbash on purpose.

I thought ELO would suffer if you bashed since the people you kill only yield a handful of points and if some no ranker takes you down you would lose quite a lot? Perhaps I'm wrong there.